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Post by dirtytorque on Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:26 pm

If I was Stu...
Get the car running first .
Then experiment with MS and get comfortable with it.
Then run a simple single cheap as pos (If there is such a thing)turbo setup on stacked gaskets, spacer or 8v bottom end.Then get creative .. Smile
Twin turbo/twin charged or just one large turbo with bullet proof bottom end etc etc
You'll find while your working down the list some of the things you purchase can be re-used on any other projects also..ie fmic large injectors intake manifolds etc so just build up in strages.
Don't mean to be patronizing just trying to keep you on track because I know you have an over active imagination.
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Ask for turbo accessories from your wedding guests.
I'm sure you have enough cutlery and house hold appliances already.
1) Fit MS using the standard dizzy and standard ignition coil,

Not put off by what happened with Dec then?
pah,it will be good to get over that hump.
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Post by mrbeige on Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:42 pm

junkie wrote:All i know is it needs mounting on the top of the pipe to prevent moisture getting in, although mine was mounted on the side.

I would say your better off having it not so close to the ports.
Hmmm, ok, that was what I was thinking too Smile

dirtytorque wrote:If I was Stu...
Get the car running first .
Then experiment with MS and get comfortable with it.
Then run a simple single cheap as pos (If there is such a thing)turbo setup on stacked gaskets, spacer or 8v bottom end.Then get creative .. Smile
Twin turbo/twin charged or just one large turbo with bullet proof bottom end etc etc
You'll find while your working down the list some of the things you purchase can be re-used on any other projects also..ie fmic large injectors intake manifolds etc so just build up in stages.
This was my thinking too. As you say I can reuse parts as the engine evolves. I quite like the idea of ghetto turbo anyway Smile
dirtytorque wrote:Don't mean to be patronizing just trying to keep you on track because I know you have an over active imagination.
Razz Smile
Not at all mate, I need someone to ground me from time to time Smile
dirtytorque wrote:Ask for turbo accessories from your wedding guests.
I'm sure you have enough cutlery and house hold appliances already.
Very very true, but we've sent out the invites and gift list now. Do you think Garrett would accept John Lewis vouchers?
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1) Fit MS using the standard dizzy and standard ignition coil,

Not put off by what happened with Dec then?
pah,it will be good to get over that hump.
Not really no. I'd like to get to the bottom of that to be fair. Good to have the experience with that setup anyway.

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Post by junkie on Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:59 pm

Buy my engine and get creative with that, you have seen it in the flesh so you konw there is plenty of scope to get creative.

Personally i say sod getting it on the road now as you will always be wanting it on the road everytime it comes off, get jiggy now not later.
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Post by mrbeige on Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:08 pm

Well, I'd like to think that I could get it on the road first and at least drive the damn thing. It's been sat there for 18months now, so I think it's matured fairly well!

I'd like to get the MS installed within a weekend (not running I may add), to allow me to test/tune it on the road at least legally.

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Post by dirtytorque on Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:12 pm

mrbeige wrote:Well, I'd like to think that I could get it on the road first and at least drive the damn thing. It's been sat there for 18months now, so I think it's matured fairly well!

I'd like to get the MS installed within a weekend (not running I may add), to allow me to test/tune it on the road at least legally.

best to test the MS on a factory working car setup 1st.If it doesn't start right away you at least know that it isn't a mechanical issue.
Less variables to worry about.And then you get the satisfaction of achieving a little goal b4 u move on.
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Post by mrbeige on Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:17 pm

dirtytorque wrote:
mrbeige wrote:Well, I'd like to think that I could get it on the road first and at least drive the damn thing. It's been sat there for 18months now, so I think it's matured fairly well!

I'd like to get the MS installed within a weekend (not running I may add), to allow me to test/tune it on the road at least legally.

best to test the MS on a factory working car setup 1st.If it doesn't start right away you at least know that it isn't a mechanical issue.
Less variables to worry about.And then you get the satisfaction of achieving a little goal b4 u move on.
This is very true, and I think it's the way forward. Baby steps, as they say. Smile

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Post by peanut on Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:09 am

get it on the road and drive. then start fannying around with it

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Post by mrbeige on Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:51 pm

Had this 'delivered' on Thursday last week! Garrett T3. Needs a refurb but.....Whoot! Really looking forward to starting the project now Smile

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Post by Toad on Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:00 pm

Nom nom.

Now get cracking with the project... :p

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Post by dirtytorque on Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:21 am

mrbeige wrote:Had this 'delivered' on Thursday last week! Garrett T3. Needs a refurb but.....Whoot! Really looking forward to starting the project now Smile

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Aaaww yeah!!!
Not many 16vTurbos living in Corrado's on the CF so really looking forward to this.
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Post by mrbeige on Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:09 am

dirtytorque wrote:Not many 16vTurbos living in Corrado's on the CF so really looking forward to this.
Aye, not so many now, if any?

Was thinking about pipe routing last night (getting a head of myself a little..) and was wondering if my current plan to use a 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold with the throttle on the left was the best option. Here are a few thoughts...

1) Out from the turbo, round the right hand side of the block to a FMIC and then out from the FMIC on the left, up into the throttle on the 150bhp 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold

2) Same as 1), but using the existing 16v manifold??

3) Out from the turbo, round the left hand side of the block to a FMIC and then out from the FMIC on the right, up into the throttle on the 225bhp 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold

4) Out from the turbo round the right hand side of the block, into a charge cooler, then straight into the throttle on the 225bhp 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold

What do you guys think?

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:42 am

As no bugger wanted to answer my questions above, I thought as I am finally having the Badcrumble's shell collected today, I'd drag Gooney out and give him a wash....

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I reckon he's just the right height, and seeing the sebrings on it makes me think some compomotive TH Mono 8x16s would really suit him

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Any ideas on weights of these wheels? Oh and brake calliper clearance?

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Post by kevhaywire on Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:00 am

There is one 16V T Corrado I know of, but he's not on the forum.

It was one of the first conversions Stealth did (with the K star and VR6 injectors etc) 9 or 10 years ago. It's the same colour as Reidy's TDI Corrado. It came in for a service when I was at Stealth last winter and it's done well over 200,000 miles, looks shabby as hell but it purred like a kitten at idle, dead smooth and goes like stink. The Guy has used it every day since the Turbo conversion all those years ago!!

How's that for reliable?! Very Happy

Those wheels will be quite heavy due to the width. 1J width adds a kilo of weight, so I'm reckoning on around 9 - 9.5Kg for those bad boys.

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:29 am

Hmmm, not a particularly light wheel then. I might email compomotive and get a definitive weight.

I'd quite like to try running the standard manifold with a turbo and then compare it to a short runner

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Post by kevhaywire on Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:12 am

Ah, I overlooked it was a compomotive wheel, in which case it definitely will be heavy then. Comp are good on email, they're happy to email you over some schematics and weights etc.

The standard intake worked well on my 16V T in the midrange but you can definitely feel the torque fall away at the top end.

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:44 am

Well, that wheel is a special order only....I'd need to order minimum 60 sets Sad They have the 15 in stock. They replied really quickly too, as you said Kev Smile

Hmmmm, torquey eh? Might start off there. Saves a bit of cash on a short running to start with too. All in the name of trial and error Smile

Ok, so if using the standard manifold, what type of exhaust mani will I need? I suppose one that mounts the turbo low?

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Post by kevhaywire on Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:06 am

60 sets?!! Who the hell is going to by 60 sets of a niche wheel like that?
I've never understood that. They'd rather not sell you a set of 4 from the 15 in stock and make some profit, but instead not ever get an order of 60 sets and make no profit!. Team Dynamics are the same. It's weird but english car businesses seem to like biting off the hand that feeds them.

Anyway, it's friday, rant mode = off!

I had the 50mm intake on mine and it worked really well. I reckon the 44mm one would be worse at the top end with a turbo, good midrange thump though! Very Happy
Isn't it common practice to use an S2 or Quattro intake on 16V Ts? With the 5th runner pruned off?

I would start off with the standard intake if it will fit though, just to get a flavour of what it's going to be like and yep, that will mean a turbo manifold that's quite low.

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:25 am

I know. Who is gonna buy 60 sets....erm no one Rolling Eyes

Yeah, seen a few that have used the modified Audi intake. That would be another option.

Pretty sure my valver has the 44mm one. I'll try that I think. Midrange tastic Twisted Evil

Yeah, seen that kit before, and contemplating using a Kinetic Motorsport manifold. They seem to have a good rep as well.

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Post by kevhaywire on Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:05 am

Yep, good manifolds. Fit well and made of lovely inconel, mmmmmm Very Happy

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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:03 pm

mrbeige wrote:
dirtytorque wrote:Not many 16vTurbos living in Corrado's on the CF so really looking forward to this.
Aye, not so many now, if any?

Was thinking about pipe routing last night (getting a head of myself a little..) and was wondering if my current plan to use a 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold with the throttle on the left was the best option. Here are a few thoughts...

1) Out from the turbo, round the right hand side of the block to a FMIC and then out from the FMIC on the left, up into the throttle on the 150bhp 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold

2) Same as 1), but using the existing 16v manifold??

3) Out from the turbo, round the left hand side of the block to a FMIC and then out from the FMIC on the right, up into the throttle on the 225bhp 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold

4) Out from the turbo round the right hand side of the block, into a charge cooler, then straight into the throttle on the 225bhp 1.8T/16v hybrid manifold

What do you guys think?

Manifold choice is fairly subjective and down to you really bud.There's an s2 on ed38 at the mo for £90 tho.

Boost piping will also just be a function of whatever charge cooling arrangements you make.So maybe hold off making any decisions on that unitl you invest in a charge/intercooler.
Once you decide what TB and intercooler you want to run then the rest will follow suit.
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Post by mrbeige on Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:10 pm

I've already got an intercooler, and it's huge Cool It's off an LT TDI van, plastic end caps though. scratch

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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:18 pm

where's the pics then byatch?

how are we spose to stay informed??

Laughing

seriously though lets have a gander at it then?!!
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Post by mrbeige on Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:37 pm

Okey okey....I'll get a pic tomorrow night Smile

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Post by mrbeige on Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:55 pm

OK, so got the piccies now... Laughing

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Post by dirtytorque on Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:10 pm

That should do the trick.Smile
short runner would make your life easier for the boost piping i think..
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