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Post by ctwg60 on Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:46 pm

lol!

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Post by junkie on Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:50 pm

I wish i understood all those pulleys.
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Post by dirtytorque on Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:16 pm

junkie wrote:I wish i understood all those pulleys.

The two little idlers are just creating a better belt contact for the supercharger pulley and waterpump pulley.
The top idler is just taking up the remaining slack from the system as a fair bit of the belt length would have been used to go up to the original alternator.
Thats it,really boring but its been holding me up.I didn't want to start putting the bottom end back together until it was done.
No more mocking up now.Will start building it.
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Post by Flusted on Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:35 pm

thats amazing, make mine like that please!
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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:20 am

Flusted wrote:thats amazing, make mine like that please!

thanks.

btw the abf crank pulley lines up perfectly
It is offset by the necessary 6mm
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Post by ctwg60 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:22 am

Mate you are making me want to build a 16vG60. The pulley system has always put me off. How's the fuel rail situation coming along?

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I think we would all be interested if you could run through what you've changed, thrown away and had machined to come up with this setup.

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Post by Flusted on Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:36 am

dirtytorque wrote:
Flusted wrote:thats amazing, make mine like that please!
btw the abf crank pulley lines up perfectly
It is offset by the necessary 6mm

Thats very handy to know, guess il be changing mine
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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:11 am

ctwg60 wrote:Mate you are making me want to build a 16vG60. The pulley system has always put me off. How's the fuel rail situation coming along?

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I think we would all be interested if you could run through what you've changed, thrown away and had machined to come up with this setup.

Pulley system should be very straight forward to implement as I could point you in the right direction now in terms of parts to buy.Its always easy once u know how.
Fuel rail is all sorted now.I welded some brackets onto the rail and it seem to fit on there quite nice and snug.

Picked up some new breathing apparatus 2day.

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Post by ctwg60 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:34 am

Excellent is has the all important flexi coupling. So tempted to do the 16vG60 but current finances are limited and I want to squeeze more out of the current engine. Looking forward to your current project completion.

So when will it be finished? Laughing

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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:37 am

mate,I wouldn't like to say at the point...

I definitely want a Corrado for the summer.That should be doable.
Maybe alot sooner.We'll see.
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Post by ctwg60 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:36 am

Sooner! in fact I order you to complete by the 29th March!

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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:38 am

ctwg60 wrote:Sooner! in fact I order you to complete by the 29th March!

There is no way i'd have it mapped aswell by then... Smile

I guess it would be good to so some mapping at the pod,but i don't want to get ahead of myself.
Not putting any dates on it.No point rushing now. Smile
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Post by Flusted on Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:07 am

nice 4 branch, i want it lol
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Post by junkie on Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:40 am

I hope i dont come across as rude as i am not been, genuine question here, why are you all excited about the pulley set up on this car, what makes it different/special etc to any other 16vG60?

ctw im sure there is loads more to come from your engine.
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Post by Flusted on Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:31 am

Because its all from scratch, i had a nightmare doing mine, having to use random pulleys and theres so many ways of doing it.

Ive done mine with cambelt tensioners but these dont take the slack out when the belts warm, where dt's uses the original damper
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Post by dirtytorque on Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:57 am

junkie wrote:I hope i dont come across as rude as i am not been, genuine question here, why are you all excited about the pulley set up on this car, what makes it different/special etc to any other 16vG60?

ctw im sure there is loads more to come from your engine.

Smile

It's no big thing really.There are different ways to go about it.This was just the way I felt most happiest.
Like u say tho it's just pulleys n belts.I know yandards changed his mind a few times when doing his like I did.I wanted to retain the g60 tensioner setup so it just took a while to find the right pulleys with the right dimensions to make it all come together.
if u look on the vortex 16vg60 thread you will see what i mean about different ways to do it.
In fact I have model mine on a similar setup I saw on there,although he has since changed his too.

All i'll say is that there are alot cruder ways to do it,but as long as everything spins as it should then its all the same I guess.
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Flusted beat me to it and said it with less words too. Smile
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Post by ctwg60 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:21 am

RHD 16vG60 belt setups I've always seen as a major compromise I've seen very few setups that I'd be happy with. This setup has a very short belt and retains the factory tensioner which is key I think. All the ancillaries, supercharger and crank get the same belt contact as an 8v. If your making an engine that's going to be producing more torque and is going to be harder on the belts you don't want to be losing belt contact or tension in doing so.

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In fact it looks like the s/c pulley is getting more than 270˚ of belt contact. Excellent! Better than standard. I might get one of those TDi rollers to give me more tension and and belt contact. Are they hard to fit?

Why have you changed the water pump pulley?

Have you attempted to fit the PAS pump on there yet?

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Post by ctwg60 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:34 am

junkie wrote:ctw im sure there is loads more to come from your engine.

O/T Yeah I hope so. Thinking of fitting solid lifters to the new head and lightening the valve train to try get more revs and be more competitive with these 16ver's.

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Post by dirtytorque on Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:25 am

ctwg60 wrote:
junkie wrote:ctw im sure there is loads more to come from your engine.

O/T Yeah I hope so. Thinking of fitting solid lifters to the new head and lightening the valve train to try get more revs and be more competitive with these 16ver's.

Why not just get with the program ? Smile
If your compression was just a tink higher I guess u could of just put a 16v head on top of your current engine.
Although u could just deck the head..

That water pump pulley gives me just a little more clearance for that bottom idler.
No,not attempted the PAs pump.I'll try that soon.
The small idlers just screw into existing holes.I didn't have to do any drilling or anything if that's what your asking?
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Post by ctwg60 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:02 am

dirtytorque wrote:

Why not just get with the program ? Smile
If your compression was just a tink higher I guess u could of just put a 16v head on top of your current engine.
Although u could just deck the head..

I don't think so, it would be a complete b'stard of an engine genetically and There's no way I could even get close to 8:1 even with massive decking to the block or head. nightmare!

I would be better changing the rods and pistons for 144mm stock items (still have them) and low comp 9A wossners. It's not going to happen to this engine I'm pretty sure of that.

dirtytorque wrote:That water pump pulley gives me just a little more clearance for that bottom idler.

What's it off the ABF?

dirtytorque wrote: No,not attempted the PAs pump.I'll try that soon.
The small idlers just screw into existing holes.I didn't have to do any drilling or anything if that's what your asking?

Mmm interesting! What's the part no.? Do they go in the Alternator or the lower part of the g60 bracket can't tell from the pics.

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Post by dirtytorque on Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:31 pm

i'll dig those part numbers out 4 u chris.
The water pump pulley is a g60 variant?!??

I think it is from an early one.
Some close ups of the alternator mounting.
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I know I said no more mocking but I wanted to see what work needed to be done to the exhaust now i have a 4 branch.

I have order some 2" stainless pipe to fill this gap.

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Post by ctwg60 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:36 pm

Bloody hell mate, I'm lost for words.

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Post by Flusted on Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:09 am

did you mod the alternator? vr6 1? fits loads better than mine.

Also for the pas, you can use a 9a pas pulley, it sticks out more and lines up better
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Post by dirtytorque on Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:24 am

Flusted wrote:did you mod the alternator? vr6 1? fits loads better than mine.

Also for the pas, you can use a 9a pas pulley, it sticks out more and lines up better

Standard MK3 alternator.I bought it on ebay.VW put them in everything after a certain year didn't they?

I had to cut some material from the charger bracket and drill out some threads in the spacer on the right so that I could push that M8 bolt through.

Thanks for the PAS tip.I'll bear that in mind. Cool
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Post by mrbeige on Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:58 am

Just looking at the pic of the boss for the lambda, should it not be angles towards the exhaust flow. It looks like it's angled backwards in the pic?

Any more progress? Are you taking plenty of pics of your engine build?

Oh, and did you get the rev counter OK?

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