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Post by jmc on Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:47 pm

Given I have a selection of chips laying around now from different stages of having my G60 tuned, someone has suggested I get hold of a copy of Winols, and an eprom programmer from ebay and actually have a look at them and see how they differ. Been thinking about this, and an eprom programmer is only £40 or so from ebay, and the demo version of Winsol (which is read onyl, no writey writey) is free. Is it really as simple as that guys? Anything I should look out for with eprom programmers?
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Post by kevhaywire on Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:53 am

Might aswell get the hacked or torrent version for free. That way you can apply any changes you like the look of and burn a new chip.

Vince uses WinOLS an emulator and a chip burner in the back office. The Emulator is basically a dummy ECU with a rewritable prom on it and the mapping is done on that, then the final chip is blown with the burner and installed into the customer's ECU. If you just want to make some simple changes and try out various chips, WinOLS and the burner should be all you need in theory.

I say a standalone is LOADS easier Very Happy

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Post by jmc on Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:36 am

Cheers Kev - been looking for a hacked version, but not found one yet (not that I would advocate that in any way shape or form of course) but not managed to find one yet that I can download unfortunately. The only sources I've found are 'pay for' download sites - although perhaps I am not looking in the right places...

I talked standalone with Vince while I was there last week. Again for mine, he was of the opinion it was overkill. Also I did have some spare cash stashed away for it if needed, however something else came up and that has now gone Sad. At the moment if I can get something for £50 which will allow me to have a read and a play with existing chips, its a bit more feasible.
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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:28 am

Well as your a tinkerer a standalone will make the most sense,even just from the viewpoint of being able to look at logs and see how your car is behaving.

However the chip reader sounds like a good idea in the mean time. Smile
Sounds quite interesting actually.I've always wanted to have a look at my old aftermarket chip.
for £50 you can't go wrong.
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Post by jmc on Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:07 am

Yeah, I think in the interim period, this will be a nice little project to keep me occupied. I've found a Eprom programmer for £40 shipped. And I've downloaded a free copy of Winols (demo version) which will let me look at the software (presumably assuming it was written in winols, although I will have to look further into that). Found a potentially useful forum too - chiptuners.org, which has a couple of standard G60 maps on there, which will be useful for me to try and get used to the software. Let the exploration begin Very Happy
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Post by dirtytorque on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:25 am

Do you think you could post up the standard maps in user friendly format?
That'd be interesting. Smile
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Post by jmc on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:36 am

Will see what I can do after figuring out the software Very Happy
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Post by jmc on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:07 pm

Hmm, that was easier than first thought. To get the data was remarkably easy, as I have a Winols file for the G60 from the Chiptuners site. Rather than try and put it on here, best to download a demo version of Winols from here (read only, not rewrite).

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Is there a way I can host a file on here for the G60 Winols file? If not, let me know if you want a copy of it and I can send it through.
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Post by mrbeige on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:12 pm

No file hosting capability, unfortunately, but you could use [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - good fro up to 300Mb

I might have to download WinOLS and have a play about

kevhaywire wrote:Might aswell get the hacked or torrent version for free.
Of course, we don't condone the use of file sharing sites on this forum Wink

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Post by ctwg60 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:07 am

I've used the Demo version to look at my different maps and although interesting it's difficult to know at which addresses you can find the various parts of the map although it's obvious where they are, what they are is far from obvious!

What you need is Alientech ECM 2001 which comes with a driver file for the G60 engine and shows you rev limits and where all the different things are stored in the ECU.

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Post by mrbeige on Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:56 am

Is the data in it's raw hex values then? Can you do a quick sceen grab and post it up so we can have a looksie?

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Post by ctwg60 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:30 am

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This is my the start of the detected map chipwizards map v old map hex and 3D.

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Post by dirtytorque on Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:56 am

are the axis labelled?
As I remember I couldn't really tell what I was looking at although I didn't try to hard..
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Post by mrbeige on Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:12 am

Looks like the numbers are in their raw value. That makes it completely un-readable, unless you know th resolution (scaling or whatever you want to call it) for it variable. E.g if the resolution is 0.015625bar per bit (2^-6), then a raw value of 0x30 (48 in decimal) would give you a value of 0.75bar in engineering units. You'll need the resolution/scaling for each variable to be able to do anything significant

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Post by jmc on Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:57 am

I'll put up the screen shot from the standard G60 map in WinOLs later (not had much time on the PC to do this) as the axes are labelled. It has the injector and ignition at rpm and pressure.
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Post by dirtytorque on Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:15 am

jmc wrote:I'll put up the screen shot from the standard G60 map in WinOLs later (not had much time on the PC to do this) as the axes are labelled. It has the injector and ignition at rpm and pressure.

yum. Very Happy

So if I sent you my old jabba chip would you be able to peek at that?
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Post by jmc on Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:30 am

When I get the Eprom reader (it has been ebayed) and assuming it was written in Winols then I should be able to. I think i have a Jabba one somewhere anyway.. Standard G60 data (according to where it came from anyway) following now...

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Post by kevhaywire on Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:55 am

Nice looking software Cool

The low rpm, low load timing seems a tad low but no doubt something VW did deliberately!

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Post by ctwg60 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:02 am

Can you tell me how you got the scales? Is that only on the full version?

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Post by jmc on Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:23 am

No, still the demo version of the software. Within the Chiptuners.org website there was a winols version of a standard G60 available for download, so I downloaded that and ran it in the software. The scales were generated automatically. If you want a copy of the file let me know your email address and I can send it through.
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Post by ctwg60 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:16 am

Oh this is very cool! I now have the chipwizards map from my car imported into that project!! Tee Hee!

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Post by jmc on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:20 am

Cool, I'd be interested to see how that looks. Did you get the Winols file from Wayne then? I'm planning on doing that with my various ones when I can read them.
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Post by dirtytorque on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:35 am

ctwg60 wrote:Oh this is very cool! I now have the chipwizards map from my car imported into that project!! Tee Hee!
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Post by mrbeige on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:42 am

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ctwg60 wrote:Oh this is very cool! I now have the chipwizards map from my car imported into that project!! Tee Hee!
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