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Re: Tubbs

Post by Toad on Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:37 pm

Be interesting to see what the manufacturer comes back with.

Sorry I didn't reply to your email, went to my meeting, got back, then had to attend a bridge that had been rammed, and an RTA until an hour ago.
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Re: Tubbs

Post by dirtytorque on Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:09 pm

mrbeige wrote:Well, it looks like one of the rear shock absorbers might be fubared. I think that cheap kit is cheap. I've emailed the supplier to find out what can be done.

Also the clutch is on it's way out and the chains need doing, so going to be busy in the run up to Christmas.

That list made me feel glum.
My clutch has been slipping in my golf for a while.
It can carry on slipping too...
I'll fix it later. Razz
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Post by Toad on Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:36 pm

Just take the little rubber bung out and pour a mixture of glue and sand in, that will build the clutch plate up more....

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Post by mrbeige on Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:23 pm

Right, so I've compiled a list of parts for the clutch and chains.....

clutch kit inc bearing - 021 198 141 AX

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clutch - 021 141 031 CC
clutch release bearing - 02A 141 165 M
clutch release arm - 02J 141 719 B
flywheel - 021 105 269 BX
flywheel bolts - 10x N 905 398 01

upper chain - 021 109 503 D
lower chain - 021 109 465 B
upper tensioner - 021 109 509 E (mk3) / 066 109 509 A (mk4)
lower tensioner - 021 109 467
lower tensioner bolt - N 909 238 01
upper guide - 021 109 513
lower guide - 021 109 469
upper tensioner bolt - 021 109 507 B (mk3) / 066 109 507 D (mk4)
upper tensioner bolt seal - N 013 827 1
intermediate sprocket bolt - N 102 038 03
upper guide washers - 2x N 011 525 27
upper guide short bolt - N 010 272 4
upper guide long bolt - N 010 352 10


main crank oil seal - 068 198 171
timing cover bolt - 13x N 010 216 12
timing cover bolt - N 010 212 26
timing cover bolt - 2x N 014 722 2
timing cover washer - N 011 524 23


inlet manifold gasket lower - 021 133 227 H
inlet manifold gasket upper - 021 133 227 J
throttle body gasket - 021 133 073 D
inlet manifold bolts - 17x N 014 726 3
inlet manifold washers - 17x 011 558 11


crack pipe - 021 121 050 C
crack pipe seals - 2x N 101 392 01
thermostat housing main- 021 121 117 A
thermo 80degC - b 075 121 113 D
bolt - 3x N 100 922 01
bolt - 2x N 101 961 03
bolt - N 014 782 1
bolt - 2x N 904 762 01
sensor clip - 2x 032 121 142
sensor seal - 2x N 903 168 02
washer - 3x N 011 524 23
seal - N 901 368 02
gasket - 021 121 119 A
thermostat housing thermo - 021 121 121 A
seal - N 101 392 01
thermostat housing crack - 021 121 133 D


Exhaust manifold to downpipe gasket - 357 253 115 D
exhaust manifold to downpipe nuts - 6x N 102 090 05
Rear engine mount bolt - N 905 532 02
Rear engine mount - 1H0 199 262 K
Rear engine mount and gearbox mount bolts - 4x N 019 533 9
Gearbox mount - 3A0 199 402
Gearbox mount bolt - N 102 416 03

Oil filter - 021 115 562 A
*Synta Oil
*sealing paste
*locktite
*G12+ (or whatever it is now)

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Post by mrbeige on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:26 am

Well, that lot comes to £673 + pence inc the Vodka! I nearly fell over when Joe told me! pale

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Post by dirtytorque on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:42 am

mrbeige wrote:Well, that lot comes to £673 + pence inc the Vodka! I nearly fell over when Joe told me! pale

nah,i was expecting around there.
Still a bitter pill though mate.
Still it can't be all modding.Maintenance n all that.Smile
Still got to do my clutch on the golf,although driving under 3k rpm all the time does yield excellent mileage. Cool

So your going to do the work yourself?
Thats your daily right?
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Post by mrbeige on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:03 pm

Yeah, it's our daily. It's really Carleena's car, but she keeps telling me it's 'our' car Smile

Doing the work on the drive/garage weekend of the 12th December, all being well. The Toadmeister is coming over for the weekend to help me, and provide the tools I don't have, in return for some love Laughing

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Post by dirtytorque on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:27 pm

lol,year my girlfriends car becomes "our car" only when its not working"
Toad to the rescue.
He loves to be elbow deep into some grease and VR.
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Post by mrbeige on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:36 pm

Indeed! I could probably do it on my own, but with Tom's help the job will be much quicker.....still a weekends work though. Lets hope it isn't raining...

Oh, and I ordered the full clutch kit in the end...

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:59 am

Well, the work is being delayed 'til after Chrstmas now. It's too much money to shell out, when we are supposed to be buying Christmas presents Laughing

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:38 am

Well now, been doing some thinking, and that was prompted by Chris's 24v VRT discussion. As Gooney will be going on the road at the end of Jan, it means that Tubbs can have a respite for a month or so, which lead me to the idea of going 24v with her. I was thinking that rather than shell out £700 odd quid on the 12v to get it up to spec, why not use that money to get a 24v engine in there. I have a couple of simple questions...

1) Do you think it would be similar money, given that I'd be able to sell the engine and the OBD2 wiring/ECU etc, and that we were going to spend £700 anyway??

2) Would you be able to wire in the engine so that you could keep a single OBD port in the cabin?

3) I think that I'd have to use Mk4 clocks, as at the very least, the engine RPM is sent out by the ECU over CAN??

4) Can you utilise the existing down pipe?

5) Can the immobilser defeat be done 'in house', or does it require the help of say Stealth et al?

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Post by mrbeige on Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:23 am

Ok, it seems that a modified downpipe is required. Also the 24v has 4 lambda probes, so it seems that I would need to keep both CATs, otherwise the ECU will no know what's going on with the A/F.

I think what I need from the donor vehicle is as follows...

Engine
Engine loom (including loom to clocks)
Mk4 Relay plate
ECU
Clocks
Key
Immobiliser transponder pickup
Pedal box
Downpipe and CATs
Airbox

It seems that I could reuse the engine mounts and ancillary bracketry to mount the existing Air-con and power steering pumps. Stick with the standard box, unless there is good reason to change it??

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Post by ctwg60 on Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:10 am

This would be great if you could pull ti off within a budjet but these 24v engines seem to suck the life's blood from the ones I've seen over on CF. Has anyone kept a car for more than 6 months after doing this conversion? Are you talking 3.2 or 2.8? Could give the car a new lease of life as a daily.

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Post by mrbeige on Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:46 am

2.8 all the way. Smooth daily, with the best base to go forced induction if we wanted to. I can't seem to find any mk3 Golf with the 2.8 24v conversion in the uk. I'm sure there must be some, but I think most people automatically go down the 3.2 route.

I've found a couple of 24v BDEs on ebay, but they are asking 850 quid, and I bet that doesn't include the pedal box etc. that is needed.

There was one on ED38 that went for 400 quid....that's the sort of money I would prefer to spend. I also want to try and get a later one with the VVT on both cams.

Standard all the way though, apart from maybe a remap from Vince.

I've hada good read of the 24v into a Corrado thread on CF, and I'm pretty sure the mk3 Golf and Corrado are fairly similar. I know that the instrument cluster pin-out is almost identical, but as the mk4 clocks run on CAN, I think that I'll have to run the mk4 clocks. Not sure I want to run more than just the engine loom though.

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Post by ctwg60 on Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:34 am

I think you have the skills to do this, just get saving! Sod Christmas, you don't have kids do you? Just pretend you booked a last minute flight and hide for 2 weeks you'll save a fortune and be much more rested then the rest of us.

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Post by mrbeige on Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:10 am

Well, we need one car on the road, and Gooney will be ready to roll by the end of Jan. All insured/taxed/MOTd so that my good wife can still get to work!

Nope, no kids, but we had a tight Christmas last year, so I think Carleena wants to have a reasonable this year. I already have licence to spend £700 so, a little more wont make much difference, and I think it is a worthwhile upgrade.

This would be the first engine swap I've done.... study

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Post by dirtytorque on Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:25 am

Christmas is cancelled.
It just gets in the way of making things.


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Post by mrbeige on Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:09 pm

dirtytorque wrote:Christmas is cancelled.
It just gets in the way of making things.


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Indeed! Laughing

I think my only real concern is that this is a daily, primarily it is Carleena's daily and has to be reliable. I've asked how she would feel about having a more modern engine with better fuel economy, performance and smoother deliver, but at the cost that as with any engine conversion, there will be teething problems.

Oh, and it has to be done fow around £1100 all in, including new clutch. That may be the stumbling block, given that I would like a late 2.8 with the VVT on both inlet and exhaust.

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Post by kevhaywire on Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:28 am

Not sure how i missed this!

Clocks and keys etc - not needed

Downpipe - i recommend c2's with stock manifolds

cats - not needed. You just need the front lambdas

i reckon £1100 is doable, just! I would personally budget £1500 to cover the unforseen issues / debugging

the problems the other 24v guys have faced have largely been r32 related. Early 2.8s seem to fly in

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:52 am

How do you go about getting engine speed to the clocks then? I was under the impression that RPM, came into the clocks over CAN?? Or is that a configurable output from the ECU?

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:56 am

C2 Downpipe with Lambda locations is £320 + £8 postage. No VAT, which is a little weird?? Delivery from US?

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Post by mrbeige on Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:00 am

So, can it be fitted without the pedal box? I think I might prefer the DBW pedal, as it goes, but not as a necessity

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Post by kevhaywire on Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:34 am

Only the MK5s send an RPM signal to the clocks over CAN. Earlier ECUs don't, just the immob signal.

Besides which, you can get $60 CAN to RPM converter boxes for Corrado clocks anyway Very Happy I fitted one to Herisite's car and it works perfectly Very Happy

My 24V is indeed DBW, so you will need a DBW pedal. Any one will do. £45ish new from VW. Again, that wasn't gonna be an issue for me due to my standalone Very Happy MK5 DBW pedals are easy to fit anyway.

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Post by mrbeige on Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:48 am

Hmmm, it's all sounding rather good then really. So, with your 24v, I'd need the following...

1) Engine, loom and ECU - ~£600
2) DBW pedal - ~£45
3) C2 Downpipe - £330 (delivered)
4) Manifolds - ££??
5) Two front Lambda probes
6) 12v Flywheel - ~£100
7) 12v Clutch - ~£110

And that's it???

It's looking fairly promising....

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Post by ctwg60 on Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:41 am

I'd like to see this done! Smile

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